political washington, and if they do that, i think it raises questions about -- >> that at no point in this administration have there been serious representation of what you might call the progressive economist wing, which is a pretty big part of obama's support. >> maybe jared bernstein. >> jared bernstein. >> now he's off the list and that's a little surprising, both given who brought him to the party and also the fact that that wing has been right about everything so far. right about interest rates and right about -- i don't have a problem with jack lew. seems like he's a tough negotiator. that's what you need in the treasury -- >> he's been questioned -- >> when you bring it up with the white house, what they say is we do have vigorous debates on the inside. it may look, you know, monolithic from the outside like we're all -- but there are differences. >> they talk to people from outside. >> they do, and they say the president is talking to more people on the outside than -- >> surprising what matters and i think paul's point, they also promise to bring in a corporate ceo if they haven't done that and